Episode 12 - The Pandorica Opens

[Murk]

Arrrggh.  After reading this thread, all I want to do is hold my head and scream while my brains explode.  You all seem absolutely bonkers AND absolutely dead on about what just happened in this Ep. and what's to come in Ep. 13.  Play nicely daisywitch or I'll have to remind myself how to remove insulting posts... you may believe your fellow forum members may have interesting ideas but deal with their points rather than insult them.  Thanks.

I suppose that this does illustrate that text isn't always the best medium for conveying 'tone of voice', and the same text can be read many different ways - after all, this is what an actor brings to a role.

[rossbennett]

And early on you could stop one with a sheet of plastic laid flat so their power source would cut out.

They worked that on out pretty quickly though.

Oh, geez. Those old Mark III Travel Machines! What a nightmare we had with those.  Every time you got on, there would invariably be one wheel that was permanently turning left.  Plus the mileage was terrible and the maneuverability was pathetic. What was Davros thinking? I mean--even in a Citroen you could fold down a window.

Hard to believe we used to get by in those.

[daisywitch]

Arrrggh.  After reading this thread, all I want to do is hold my head and scream while my brains explode.  You all seem absolutely bonkers AND absolutely dead on about what just happened in this Ep. and what's to come in Ep. 13.  Play nicely daisywitch or I'll have to remind myself how to remove insulting posts... you may believe your fellow forum members may have interesting ideas but deal with their points rather than insult them.  Thanks.

I suppose that this does illustrate that text isn't always the best medium for conveying 'tone of voice', and the same text can be read many different ways - after all, this is what an actor brings to a role.

Thank you, Murk.  Yes, 'tone of voice' - in my neck of the woods calling someone crazy and correct about something in the same sentence is considered a compliment.  I apologize to anyone who did not take it the way I intended and was insulted.

[Murk]

A few more thoughts about 'Pandorica'.

One - the Roman with lipstick was fun.
Two - earlier in the series the Doctor said "I'm most definitely a madman in a box". Could this be foreshadowing? Could he be in for a long stint in the Pandorica, sending him mad?
Three - The Doctor was very forceful with Amy "I said 'Stay Where You Are'"
Four - I'm hoping for a timey-wimey non linear, makes your head hurt but is ultimately logical resolution.
Five - Why can't River fly the Tardis?

Possibly silly question. People are saying it's the Cybus Cybermen....  I'm unclear as to how they can tell. Can anyone enlighten?

[Libertango]

Possibly silly question. People are saying it's the Cybus Cybermen....  I'm unclear as to how they can tell. Can anyone enlighten?

Could it be the logo on the chest? I didn't get a good look at it (just finished), but that may be an indicator. Or maybe the Cybus Cybermen have flippy-flappy face doors? (<<<Sounds like something the Doctor would say, doesn't it?  )

[django]

Five - Why can't River fly the Tardis?

Err what do you mean? She was flying the Tardis.

[Murk]

She did fly the Tardis, and then the Tardis did not behave well - she could not fly it any more, and it blew up.

Why?

[Tegan]

She did fly the Tardis, and then the Tardis did not behave well - she could not fly it any more, and it blew up.

Why?

Because the TARDIS is no longer under her control, but has been taken over by the mysterious "silence will fall" voice.

Here's a left field guess. Whoever it was trying to build the time machine in "The Lodger" is doing it. That person was never identified, just the auto pilot. And whoever that was is already shown to be a lousy pilot.

[django]

She did fly the Tardis, and then the Tardis did not behave well - she could not fly it any more, and it blew up.

Why?

I'm guessing the dodgy Davros-like voice has something to do with it.

...and does anyone else see the similarity between what Davros was trying to do and what appears to be happening?

[George Harrison]

She did fly the Tardis, and then the Tardis did not behave well - she could not fly it any more, and it blew up.

Why?

I'm guessing the dodgy Davros-like voice has something to do with it.

...and does anyone else see the similarity between what Davros was trying to do and what appears to be happening?

Yes I saw that too...

[rossbennett]

A few more thoughts about 'Pandorica'.

Some good ones, too!

One - the Roman with lipstick was fun.

I suspect that can be said just about anywhere, no?

Two - earlier in the series the Doctor said "I'm most definitely a madman in a box". Could this be foreshadowing? Could he be in for a long stint in the Pandorica, sending him mad?

Brilliant!  You're right.  That was a great line for a callback at the finale.  Because he didn't just say that, he underscored it and told her knowing that could one day save her life.

[Henry Gordon Jago]

I think the "Silence will fall" voice is the Dream Lord, myself.

[Mekka]

I think the "Silence will fall" voice is the Dream Lord, myself.

I said this in an email to a friend yesterday.  I haven't thought an argument through for it.  But that's who came immediately to mind when I was watching it.

[django]

I think the "Silence will fall" voice is the Dream Lord, myself.

I said this in an email to a friend yesterday.  I haven't thought an argument through for it.  But that's who came immediately to mind when I was watching it.

Oh I hope it isn't. That makes as much sense as Big Ears.

[Tegan]

Someone trying to build a time machine with semi round, plunger shaped controls at stalk height, who takes over control of the TARDIS and has a metallic sounding intonation to his voice.

Someone maybe with a grudge against both the Doctor and those ingrate travel machines Daleks.

Someone who would be just daft enough to destroy what he can't have (like a universe maybe)?

Hmmm, nope, no one comes to mind at the moment. 

I just can't put my finger on it. Way too many of the Doctor's adversaries could fit that description.